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The government has finally woken up...or is it backtracked?...and will be supplying free vitamin D for the elderly and vulnerable. No mention of strength. I'll want to cry if it's 400iu or some other nonsensical and worthless low amount.
I'm now wondering if I should stock up, just in case there is a run on vitamin D...I've got 3.5 months worth...
I tried buying a higher amount than 1000iu from the local pharmacy. They told me you coud only get higher than 1000iu on prescription. Then I wondered aloud why then can I buy 5000iu online without any prescription? The lady just shrugged.
At 3.5 months, GW, I think you'll be safe. Maybe re-look at it when you have 2 month's left
I half said that tongue in cheek...but I'm a terrible worrier when it comes to running out of things. Not good in this climate.
I bet the pharmacies are the same here...trying to protect us from overdosing on something that's good for us. I've always bought from Amazon or other online suppliers.
Vitamin D3 5000 iu Capsules with Olive Oil, Vitamin D Supplements for Immune System, Bones & Muscle Function
These are fine for vitamin d once daily should be ok though you could take 2 x 5000iu for a few weeks if you've not been taking any recently or haven't just come back from a holiday near the Equator.
If you want to boost magnesium at the same time this Magnesium Synergy is a good blend
Magnesium Synergy Powder, 300g Powder
It's very easy to put a scoop of powder in a glass of water and drink it. No big tablets to swallow and no nasty fillers. Each scoop provides 200mg elemental magnesium and a couple of glasses daily will give a safe amount of magnesium That will improve the actions of vitamin d3.
The same factors(diet induced hyperinsulinemia) that lead to vitamin d depletion also deplete magnesium.
Thank you Ted. I normally only take 1 x 5000iu
Thanks Ted. My usual magnesium supplement is out of stock at the moment, so I may consider changing to the one you suggest. I am also getting through it faster now that Peter has agreed to supplement with Vit D3, Mg and Vit K2 for the winter.
I take 2 x 5000iu. Waiting for new supply K2 to arrive and I take magnesium.
Supplement wise where do you get your K2 from please?
I'm not Christine...but I use this as I hate tablets, and I can adjust the amount.
Same Q as to Gilli. Maybe will get the same answer.
Just read Zoe’s report today. Early on I stopped listening to the morning government advice. Too anxiety making. Am counting my blessings everyday. So grateful for the scientists that put the real truth out to the public.
Discovered Zoe and THD entirely by some miracle. Wonder how many lives she has saved. First by revealing the truth about saturated fats and cholesterol and then by articles like today. Thank you seems so inadequate considering all you have done. Am not expecting to see your name in the New Year Honours List Zoe. Guess you’d be rather worried if you did.
Zoe, Andy look after each other. THD club members you are part of this life saving team. You take care too.
Josephine, I take Solgar K2 which is from natto. So not stricltly an animal source, but a fermented one.
Mine is from natto also.
Thanks for the links Ted. Have bought vit d as it’s cheaper than the sprays I currently used. Have also bought magnesium after looking up articles about Epsom salts being absorbed in the skin or not (I don’t always remember to apply the sprays).
So next on my list is to work out how much k2 we should be taking...... and then buy some of that.
From what I've seen, k2 seems to have a standardised dose of around 100mg. The one I take is a tad higher, so I take a bit less. If anyone knows otherwise I'd be interested.
Just to update, I have the magnesium powder Ted suggested on this thread and can confirm it barely has any taste at all and is very easy to take.... as long as I remember :)
I brought my K2 from Holland & Barrett in the end. Just waiting delivery of my 2nd batch. Also had delivery again of Vit D in olive oil from NaturPlus of which I take two aday.
NHS website is still saying no evidence vitamin d helps Covid.
And that over 4000 iu is dangerous to take
This is why we end up confused!
...Quote:
Coronavirus update
It's important to take vitamin D as you may have been indoors more than usual this year.
You should take 10 micrograms (400 IU) of vitamin D a day between October and early March to keep your bones and muscles healthy.
There have been some reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus (COVID-19). But there is currently not enough evidence to support taking vitamin D to prevent or treat coronavirus.
Quote:
If you choose to take vitamin D supplements, 10 micrograms a day will be enough for most people.
Do not take more than 100 micrograms (4,000 IU) of vitamin D a day as it could be harmful. This applies to adults, including pregnant and breastfeeding women and the elderly, and children aged 11 to 17 years.
My doc prescribed 10000iu when my levels were low, I don’t understand why there is such a discrepancy across NHS! My levels are normal again, and I take 4000iu daily. Why do we take K2? I’m unsure about this one, as helps with clotting, and clotting seems to be a significant complication of COVID. Or I may have misunderstood, of course!
My decision has been to ignore what the NHS say, because in my experience they are often wrong. I have been taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 for years. Maybe I will suddenly drop dead from it, maybe I won’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupee
These are the same clowns who tell us to wear high SPF suncream, which I have never done in this country and cover up to avoid skin cancers. The last bit of research I saw linked skin cancers more to the base creams used to deliver high SPF than to the action of sunlight.
But common sense should be sufficient for you to understand that what the NHS are saying is total nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupee
https://i.imgur.com/DzdfFDB.png
This image comes from this paper which is free full text.
Human serum 25-hydroxycholecalciferol response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol
You can see the top line was using 10,000iu daily and people only got to 200nmol/l which is in the range measured in indigenous humans living outdoor lives near the equator wearing minimal clothing.Quote:
Healthy men seem to use 3000–5000 IU cholecalciferol/d, apparently meeting > 80% of their winter cholecalciferol need with cutaneously synthesized accumulations from solar sources during the preceding summer months. Current recommended vitamin D inputs are inadequate to maintain serum 25-hydroxycholecalciferol concentration in the absence of substantial cutaneous production of vitamin D.
If those levels were toxic humans would not have survived the evolutionary process.
The second line down show typical response in BOSTON USA to 5000iu daily They are nearer the equator than BOSTON UK and get 1000 hours more sunshine annually than we do and so they are starting off from a higher level 70nmol/l compared to our levels which will be below 50nmol/l in November so our curve for 5000iu will be below their curve.
Evaluation of vitamin D3 intakes tells us
So just to maintain an optimal natural vitamin d status for humans requires more than 4000iu daily.Quote:
To achieve serum 25(OH)D levels >100 nmol/L on average, required vitamin D intakes of 6,000 IU/d for normal Body Mass Index (BMI), 7,000 IU/d for overweight and 8,000 IU/d for obese
Traditionally living populations in East Africa have a mean serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration of 115 nmol/l
Vitamin D Toxicity, Policy, and Science
Quote:
The absence of hypercalcemia and hypercalciuria in well‐conducted trials of vitamin D leads to the conclusion that the current UL of 50 μg (2000 IU)/d has been excessively conservative. The overwhelming bulk of clinical trial evidence supports the conclusion that a prolonged intake of 250 μg (10,000 IU)/d of vitamin D3 likely poses no risk of adverse effects in almost all individuals in the general population.
When my children were small, I asked my GP about sunshine - it was the start of the skin cancer scares, I suppose. His answer was as much sun as possible, but never let them burn. Not a lecture about sun cream and covering up!
Thanks Gilli and Ted. I will have a read of all those later.
I think I just get concerned that so many in our country trust the nhs and yet they seem to have this one so completely wrong (and other points too). I am happily now taking 5000 iu although being obese it looks like that should actually be more ... I think my concern is more that I have told my mum to take at least 4000 and am now doubting myself!
Mum has never eaten cream or milk (unless in icecream, cheese or cooking) so there is a potential risk of osteoporosis.
She has increased from 10iu to 2000 for now (she obviously had her doubts too!)
With all the YouTube videos and papers I read, OH has already asked if I am turning into a scientist! :D
My brother is a GP and for years he has been attending conferences sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry. He is a very nice, gentle and caring man but I do not trust his judgment because he believes what he learns at these CPD events where they are wined and dined royally and the company propaganda is promoted hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupee
There are fewer and fewer practitioners within the NHS who actually “think” about things these days. Try to find Dr Finlay’s Casebook by AJ Cronin either in books or the old series from the 1960s on the BBC to see a fictional (based on his own experiences) portrayal of how medicine should be practised. A problem solving profession not a follow the guidelines to prescribe x office job.
Nail on the head!! You've hit it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilli